(I notice it's not possible to correct the title line!) The organisation needs to beg money
Half banana
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How strange that God's organisation needs tob eg for money
by Half banana ini would say that if god or jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
as a poor jw pioneer i scraped by as a way of life serving a god i could not know, see or sense in any way but i swallowed the biblical dogma and recalled that the birds of the air neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.. so for goodness sake...why is the jw org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?.
is it a sign that jehovah has disinherited them?
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How strange that God's organisation needs tob eg for money
by Half banana ini would say that if god or jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
as a poor jw pioneer i scraped by as a way of life serving a god i could not know, see or sense in any way but i swallowed the biblical dogma and recalled that the birds of the air neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.. so for goodness sake...why is the jw org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?.
is it a sign that jehovah has disinherited them?
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Half banana
I would say that if God or Jehovah or any other named or nameless god needs money then he/she/it is not much of a god.
As a poor JW pioneer I scraped by as a way of life serving a god I could not know, see or sense in any way but I swallowed the Biblical dogma and recalled that “the birds of the air” neither toiled nor sowed but were provided for.
So for goodness sake...why is the JW org so concerned with keeping, promoting or downright snatching as much money as they can from the sheep?
Is it a sign that Jehovah has disinherited them?
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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?
by snugglebunny inback in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.
he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".
this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.
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Half banana
A good question Snugs since the thinking of JWs who were fruitlessly looking for a promised end of the system of things in the last century also imagined some special group among them who were heaven bound. This was part of Witness theology and to deny it would have meant curtains for you.
As the last century wore on the 1914 generation doctrine began to look more like it failure. The “anointed” were to have guided the “other sheep” through the turmoil of Armageddon into the “new world”. Big Watchtower joke/lie! It wasted the lives of .millions.
As for the anointed it appears they unceremoniously were dismissed surplus to requirements, all were deluded...except the Most Holy Governing Body. The self appointed super anointed. The rest of the anointed are nuts, don’t listen to them!
This stupid religion has never taught anything useful, all their teachings are unsubstantiated and will mislead you if you believe them. Please people wake up and desert this god-forsaken cult. (Half banana applies brakes to his rant wagon!)
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Half banana
The young Hitler lost his mother to breast cancer when he was seventeen about the time he twice failed his art college entrance exam. I guess that the painting was made about this time, i.e. after 1907. He has used the subject of Madonna and Child in Renaissance colours to project his own tender feelings for his late mother for whom he dutifully cared in her last days. He had already lost his father and one brother. The painting is optimistic in its light tones and bright colours but conventional and sentimental, derivative and with a slightly unsettled composition. Cropping the overpowering daisies (symbol of innocence) on the left would make for a better balance including a reduction of green which is too dominant for a picture of harvest and sunlight. It is the work of someone who has some familiarity of the techniques and symbolism in painting, with a sound understanding of spatial depth. It was clear from the relationship he had with his mother that he was capable of feeling for others; however, it seems that it was limited to within his own family. He saw the outside world only in connection with himself, hence perhaps self-identifying with the Christ-child. There is, in the sun’s rays and the ethereal temple, a hint of messianic hope. But who was going to be the messiah?
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"THE TRUTH" & "THE WAY"
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inwhen speaking of "the truth" jehovah's witnesses may have in mind several contexts, including.... "... the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible..." w08 12/15 p. 27-p. 29 par.
13and/or the body of knowledge determined by the "... highest ecclesiastical authority for the faith of jehovah's witnesses..." which is arrived at and sanctioned by the governing body and as stated by gerrit losch in his legal submission to the supreme court of california in february 2014.indeed, most jehovah's witnesses may not discriminate between these two perspectives and will likely envisage the body of knowledge determined by the gb as synonymous with that stated in the aforementioned 2008 wt magazine ("entire body of christian teachings").
however, a number of dissenting/analytical jehovah's witnesses, former congregants, etc., will discern an increasing gulf between that which is scripturally derived / determined, and the body of knowledge arrrived at by the gb.gerrit losch in the following magazine article "w12 8/1 p. 28 champions of the truth" is noted as having asked....''how do we know we have the truth?
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Half banana
Nicholaus K a good post but as you continue trying to sort out what is truth, instead of being snagged on applying what it says in the Bible, give a thought to where those scriptures and the ideas in the Bible actually came from...and it wasn’t from heaven.
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Recent Observation: "Even if it's true..."
by freemindfade inhas anyone else heard this said more frequently lately?
"even if it's true..." i have seen it said on here a few times in quotes from in family or friends responding the negative things about the org.. i heard it tuesday night again.
in a pioneer sisters comment.
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Half banana
Since JWs are in denial, they place the idea that they are doing God’s will above the nagging doubts that they might have got things wrong. Any new evidence to expose their lack of rational foundation is dismissed as another attack on their impregnable mental castle. Trouble is that the Watchtower castle is built in the air and all who live there are living in an imaginary world. They can stay airbourne as long as they don’t start questioning and reasoning.
The dream and the self satisfied smiles, the cherished hopes, the feeling of safety shared with the jolly crowd of fellow drones... all end with conceding at last that the WTS belief system is wrong.
The JW cannot afford to permit the idea they are wrong, their whole happiness hinges on it. ”It is still the truth” they keep comforting each other with...even though some can see it all crumbling.
It’s holding on to the dream which counts for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Holding on to the dream, even if it’s wrong, makes you a JW hero.
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Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?
by stuckinarut2 inso witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.. for example, birthday celebrations, mothers or father's day, christmas etc..... most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together".
it is still firmly rejected.. so, if the wrong origin is so important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual jehovah's witness faith itself!?.
after all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on wrong understandings of the bible, far fetched teachings and doctrines, links to false religious backgrounds, pyramidology, false predictions, inaccurate beliefs etc...... using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how good something is now, if the origin was faulty to begin with?
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Half banana
Starting about the fourth century CE, pagan was the roman word of contempt for the uneducated people from the pagus or village, those who were not taught the sophisticated city beliefs such as Roman Christianity, the peasants who were bedevilled by belief in the folk myths. The essence of this meaning is also found in the word heathen i.e. those living out on the heath or rough lands (where heather grows). By contrast Roman Christianity was a city religion and hence urban or ‘urbane’.
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New BBC article on JW abuse
by snare&racket inis religion doing enough to root out abuse?.
he would go upstairs, on the premise that he was saying a prayer with his niece, then sexually abuse her.
mark sewell was sentenced to 14 years in prisonafterwards, the elders told her that as it was only her account against that of sewell, nothing more could be done.
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Half banana
I heard much of this information on Radio 4 on the BBC at about 6.45 this morning...good negative publicity for putting people off Jehovah's Witnesses.
A significant element of the JW position is that they choose to insist on the Biblical 'rule' of "two witnesses".
Does this not expose the stupidity of basing modern life on primitive tribal dogma? JWs cling to the Bible and faith in its brand of holiness since they have such narrow horizons and are prevented from seeing that better methods and opportunities exist elsewhere.
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Resistance is NOT futile!
by Bonsai inall i want from this life is to be able to wash windows at bethel.. my story.. when i was fresh out of high school and pioneering, i said those exact words to my friends and family.
all i wanted to do was be at the core of the organization where it was the safest.
i gleefully told people that i'd gladly spend the rest of my life washing windows, waiting tables, doing laundry or cleaning bathrooms.
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Half banana
Bonsai, thank you so much for your experience as a zealous JW. We all wasted so much of our lives in this mind-bending cult.
The notion of putting flowers on the deceased seems to be the most natural token in remembering loved ones who have died. There is even evidence from a Russian site that Neanderthals used flowers to say goodbye to their dead. With the paranoid GB, they forbid every natural human gesture only so that their followers will not forget to laud the leadership. It is sickening.
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WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO
by TerryWalstrom inromans were pagans.. why wouldn't pagan romans use a pagan cross to execute jesus?.
should pagans have spared jesus a pagan means of execution?.
hell no!.
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Half banana
Terry your logic is impeccable. It would however come as a great shock for JWs to realise that the Jesus story of crucifixion is just a copy of the earlier solar religions where all god-men get crucified at the spring equinox. The cross being a symbol of that moment in the solar year. The whole of the Jesus story is pure paganism. Just removing the cross element cannot restore the account to an imagined pure state uncontaminated with pagan folk belief.
As the learned and influential Saint Augustine admitted, writing probably around the beginning of the fifth century; “The same thing which is now called the Christian religion existed amongst the ancients”.